"It feels as though you're losing a part of your body." The birth family have seen Bethany and Ben for the last time. "I gave them kisses and hugs and then I went." From BBC Radio 4's The World at One, with Jon Manel.
"You want them to like you." It is a few weeks since Julie and Robert met their new children. "It was very unusual to be called Daddy." From BBC Radio 4's The World at One, with Jon Manel.