In this episode of The Agile Coach Podcast, Vivek talks with Angela Johnson, Chief Change Officer & Certified Scrum Trainer at Collaborative Leadership Team and author of The Scrum Master Files. She talks about working with leadership as an Agile coach and working through resistance Agile transformation in organizations. HIGHLIGHT QUOTES You have to have a handle on what you're trying to measure - Angela: "People will say things like, 'we have to go faster' or 'we can't keep up with the competition.' But all of those reasons I firmly believe that they're sincere, they're just not measurable." It's okay to assume some leaders don't have clarity - Angela: "Even leaders who think they have a clear vision of where they're going, they may be assuming that people are doing what they think is the top goal but that's not necessarily the case until they follow up or verify." Get to know Angela and check out her book: About Angela The Scrum Master Files Connect with Vivek and Pabitra to find out more about what they're up to: About Vivek About Pabitra About The Agile Coach Agile Coach Website If you enjoy The Agile Coach and are interested in learning more, you can check us out at the link below: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-agile-coach-llc