In the final episode of Breaking Down, Ali is joined by iconic New York couple, Roberta Smith and Jerry Saltz. Smith, the newly retired co-chief art critic of The New York Times, and Saltz, the senior art critic for New York Magazine, chat with Ali about: what makes “good art,” pursuing your passions, finding your purpose later in life, the makings of successful partnership, the relationship between work and neurosis, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices