To what extent does evidence actually influence public policy? We answer that question and more as Cynthia Belaskie, Robbie Brydon and special guest host Jim Dunn talk to Molly Harrington, former Assistant Deputy Minister with the BC government, and Norm Helfand, former Director of Income Security Policy with the Ontario government. They talk about how data and evidence are used to craft public policy and how health effects are - or are not - considered in income security policy. Tune in to learn more about how public policies are made, how research and evidence are used and what researchers and policymakers need to do to support each other's work. Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, and share! https://mihe.mcmaster.ca/