In this conversation we talk about risking creatively, the cost of living truthfully, and feeling the love of God through the embrace of his LGBTQ+ siblings in the church.

In this conversation we talk about why Harlem is so special, neighborhoods as ecosystems, and how the ancient concept of Jubilee affects how we think about justice and liberation today.

In this conversation we talk about his history within the church his and movement away from organized religion, a spirituality rooted in the wilderness, and his newest book, “The God of Wild Places: Rediscovering The Divine In The Untamed Outdoors.”