This week we spoke with Ben Crewe who is a professor of penology and criminal justice at the University of Cambridge Institute of Criminology. We talk about what prisons are like in England, Wales, and Norway. The discussion centers around the idea of Nordic exceptionalism when it comes to imprisonment and whether it's just a myth.    Ben has published in journals such as Criminology, British Journal of Criminology, and Punishment & Society. You can find on X @crewebencrewe.