Host: Steve Macchia, Guest: Jeremy Stefano “Paying attention to the people we are serving is crucial, otherwise it’s all me.” – Jeremy Stefano A controlling leader has a need to power over others, leaving no space for others. This kind of leader creates an atmosphere of anxiety and fear rather than one of welcoming and mutual contribution. A discerning leader is attentive, listens to, and offers a hospitable presence to others. Jeremy Stefano and Steve Macchia return to the podcast to share five more attributes of the heart of a discerning leader. In this episode, you will hear how a spiritually mature leader provides a hospitable presence, is deeply content and humble, genuinely joyful and celebratory, rooted in trust and rest, and generates peace and hope. Join the conversation about spiritual discernment as a way of life at www.LeadershipTransformations.org and consider participation in our online and in-person program offerings. Additional LTI spiritual formation resources can be found at www.SpiritualFormationStore.com and www.ruleoflife.com and www.healthychurch.net.