On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Rick Hess of the American Enterprise Institute joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss his new book, The Great School Rethink. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a Massachusetts study that found a connection between teachers’ scores on CTE licensure exams and the long-term earnings of their students. Recommended content: “How can we liberate students from drudgery? It’s time for a Great Rethink” —Rick Hess“Education commentary is dominated by optimism bias” —Freddie deBoerThe study that Amber reviewed on the Research Minute: Bingjie Chien et al., “CTE teacher licensure and long-term student outcomes,” Education Finance & Policy (March 2023)  Feedback Welcome: Have ideas for improving our podcast? Send them to our producer Nathaniel Grossman at [email protected].