On this episode, our guest is Gustavo Esteva, a "deprofessionalized" social activist, author, and elder. I sat down with Gustavo in his house on the edge of a small Zapotec town to discuss the legacy of tourism in Oaxaca, how tourism is an extension of the colonization of the Americas, and the consequences of the COVID-19 pandemic. We touch on the differences between tourists and immigrants and the crushing realities of modern and urban, capitalist living. Gustavo is the co-founder of La Universidad de la Tierra (the University of the Earth) and the Center for Intercultural Encounters and Dialogues, located in Oaxaca, Mexico. He has authored and edited over 40 books, including "Grassroots Postmodernism: Remaking the Soil of Cultures" and "Escaping Education: Living as Learning within Grassroots Cultures," and "the Future of Development: A Radical Manifesto."  I first met Gustavo in 2015 at the Unitierra Oaxaca in southern Mexico. I had long heard incredible stories of Gustavo through a protege of his, Michael Sacco, a close friend and the founder of ChocoSol Traders in Toronto, Canada. Like Michael, I was invited into the philosophies and lived expressions of interculturality, hospitality, and local resilience that Gustavo and his work so deeply embodies.  Part 1 is entitled, "The Conquest and the Great Escape." Part 2, which we will release at the beginning of January, is entitled, "A World Where Many Worlds Belong." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gustavo Esteva's Resilience.org Page: https://www.resilience.org/resilience-author/gustavo-esteva/ Universidad de la Tierra Oaxaca: https://unitierraoax.org  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unitierraoaxaca/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unitierraoax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Discover more episodes and join the conversation: http://www.theendoftourism.com Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter @theendoftourism