On this episode, our guest is Gustavo Esteva, a "deprofessionalized" social activist, author, and elder. I sat down with Gustavo in his house on the edge of a small Zapotec town to discuss the legacy of interculturality, radical hospitality, the philosopher Ivan Illich, and the Zapatistas of Chiapas, Mexico. Gustavo is the co-founder of La Universidad de la Tierra (the University of the Earth) and the Center for Intercultural Encounters and Dialogues, located in Oaxaca, Mexico. He has authored and edited over 40 books, including "Grassroots Postmodernism: Remaking the Soil of Cultures" and "Escaping Education: Living as Learning within Grassroots Cultures," and "the Future of Development: A Radical Manifesto." I first met Gustavo in 2015 at the Unitierra Oaxaca in southern Mexico. I had long heard incredible stories of Gustavo through a protege of his, Michael Sacco, a close friend and the founder of ChocoSol Traders in Toronto, Canada. Like Michael, I was invited into the philosophies and lived expressions of interculturality, hospitality, and local resilience that Gustavo and his work so deeply embodies. Part 2 is entitled, "A World Where Many Worlds Belong." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gustavo Esteva's Official Page: Universidad de la Tierra Oaxaca: https://unitierraoax.org Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unitierraoaxaca/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unitierraoax/ Ivan Illich: Wikipedia EZLN / Zapatistas: Espanol / English ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Discover more episodes and join the conversation: http://www.theendoftourism.com Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter @theendoftourism