In this episode we are joined by another very special guest, Dr Susan Blackmore. Sue is a former parapsychologist who has moved away from the study of the paranormal and onto investigating a wide range of topics, including evolution, memes and consciousness. During our interview we discussed PhDs, memes and the third replicator (tremes), technology and AI, evolution and cyberspace, consciousness, the self and identity, the subjective and the objective, drugs, hallucinations, and altered states of consciousness. You can learn more about (and from) Sue at www.susanblackmore.co.uk.