This week Jeremy interviews producer and engineer Jack Shirley with special co-host George Clarke of the band Deafheaven to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the record "Sunbather." On this episode, the group discusses the 650 area code, Beach Boys, 411 Video Magazine, the movie New Jack City, AC/DC, improving the live DIY experience, car audio, Refused, karaoke machines, At the Gates, building your own recording space, setting expectations, meeting Deafheaven, making the album "Sunbather", remixing it for the 10th anniversary, and so much more! SUBSCRIBE TO THE PATREON to hear a bonus episode where Jack and George answered questions that were submitted by subscribers! Follow the show on INSTAGRAM and TWITTER Want some First Ever Podcast merch? Click here!