This week, Jay Jay welcomes guest Ethan Penner onto the podcast! Ethan is an old friend of Jay Jay's & is widely recognized as a pioneer in the worlds of real estate & finance, with over 30 years of experience in both fields. Jay Jay & Ethan tell the story of how they met, Ethan's growing up as a true metal fan, & how music has deeply influenced his life both personally & professionally.  Be sure to check out Ethan's inspiring new book Greatness is a Choice, linked below through his website. www.greatintersection.com  Edited & Produced by Matthew Mallinger