Nathan Grayson and Riley MacLeod have just launched a brand new, worker-owned games publication called Aftermath, along with some other ex-Kotaku staff you'll recognise. As in, today, right now! Chris grabbed them for an interview a few days ago to talk about the challenges that come with starting something fresh, crowdfunding and what being "worker-owned" really means in this context. "You know — and everyone knows — that 2022 and 2023 have been nightmarish for games journalism, and for journalism broadly, and also for games studios. And like, what else are you going to do? Where else are you going to go? When I panic and I'm like: is this a ridiculous idea? Should I just go and get a real job where somebody else understands how the taxes work? I'm like... what is it? Where is it? It's exciting to think about, you know, now we're the job! We'll make the job." Support the show