Casper ter Kuile is the author of The Power of Ritual, which explores how people find meaning and connection through community and everyday practices. He joins Cleo Wade today to talk through what he's uncovered in his work on belonging, the difference between religion and spirituality, and why small groups can be a powerful force for personal and collective transformation. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices