The episode is an in-depth discussion with Ed Neal MD, who has a deep understanding of healing and modern science.  Dr Neal has a profound background including studies at the Young Institute in Zurich and his involvement with the Apricot Grove Project.  The conversation delves into the wisdom encapsulated in Francis Bacon’s quote, “Nature to be commanded must be obeyed,” and its influence on healing practices.  We discuss the concept of Jing Shen, a belief in an original destiny that propels individuals into the healing path. This path is marked by courage, curiosity, and a deep connection to nature-centric medicine.  We also explore the concept of the wounded healer and how this perspective shapes the work of healing.  The transformative power of stories and their ability to shape reality is discussed. They consider the importance of transition in the healing journey.  The conversation also focuses on the role of light in healing and identity, and the power of ecological restoration.  Neal highlights the idea of understanding nature's patterns and their influence on medical conditions. He emphasizes the need for physicians to restore the ecology, not just treat symptoms.  The episode also discusses the practice of nature-based medicine, the importance of breath in healing, and the role of consciousness.  The final segment of the episode appreciates the power of compassionate storytelling in the journey of healing. It reflects on the power of stories to shape reality and emphasizes the importance of embracing the journey of healing. You can learn more about Ed Neal MD at: The Institute for Neijing Studies www.neijingstudies.com