This podcast episode delves into the principles of contemplative care, highlighting a recent study indicating that people can learn to release joy by honoring their suffering. It features interviews with Chodo Robert Campbell Sensai and Koshin Paley Ellison Sensai, founders of the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care, discussing their mission to transform healthcare culture through compassion, wisdom, education, and Zen practice. The discussion covers the importance of community, dealing with the three poisons (greed, resentment, and delusion), and the concept of equanimity in facing the suffering inherent in healthcare. It concludes with insights on the preciousness of life, even in the face of death, and how contemplative practices can support healers in reconnecting with their purpose and the joy of their work. 00:00 Unlocking Joy and Overcoming Burnout: A New Study Revealed 00:33 Introducing the Healers Council: A Journey into Wisdom and Healing 01:09 Spotlight on Contemplative Care: Meet the Pioneers 02:08 Exploring the Depths of Contemplative Care with Chodo and Koshin 12:19 The Essence of Precious Life Through the Lens of Contemplative Care 20:07 Fostering Fellowship and Addressing Burnout Among Healers 30:12 Navigating Shame and Regret: A Contemplative Approach 35:08 Exploring the Depths Beyond Shame 36:31 A Zen Approach to Pain and Discomfort 38:10 The Practice of Medicine and Contemplative Skills 39:22 Equanimity in the Face of Life's Dualities 46:19 The Teachability of Contemplative Skills 51:20 Finding Joy and Beauty Amidst Suffering 58:08 Concluding Thoughts on Equanimity and Trust 01:05:28 Dedication and Reflections on Life's Impermanence https://zencare.org