You've seen the headines: "DEI must die," "Progressive diktat," "A lightning rod for controversy." It is no secret that diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives are taking flak in the court of public opinion. But beyond the media spats, like Elon Musk's "DEI must die" quip, HR leaders across the western world are seeing real cuts to their DEI budgets. In Episode 4 of series 3, Woosh Raza, director of people, culture and inclusion for the National Council for Voluntary Organisations (NCVO) joins former HR magazine editor Jo Gallacher to explore why DEI is encountering scepticism, and what HR leaders can do to safeguard their own efforts.