In this episode, Stafford Masie (serial entrepreneur and global speaker) talks to John Vlismas and Carmen Murray. Join as they explore what makes Stafford an Øutsider, and what life looks like from the outside looking in. Stafford Masie is a curious, analytical synthesizer, fueled by a perceived cultural constraint. He is a superb example of an Outsider who has used negative drivers to realize massive value. We dare you! DON'T LISTEN TO THIS! Music: John Bartmann | Outsiders