Kata Peter, Ferry Irwandi adalah seorang warga sipil biasa, lagi bikin olahan bijih besi buat toko material bangunan. Timestamps: 3:20 — Should poor people have kids? What about the right of the kid to be born to a dignified life? Is Indonesia overpopulated? Financial and economic opportunity disparity between Jakarta vs. the rest of Indonesia 25:43 — If adopting kids has a lot of requirements, but not for biological children? Is it selfish to want to have children for your own self-interests? 44:21— How much money do you really need to raise a child in Jakarta? How do we define “kehidupan yang layak” for our kids? Why is it so hard to get a job these days? 01:08:30 — Family planning in Indonesia. Why should Indah get married? Why didn’t Ferry get a prenup? Ferry’s dyslexic and colorblind, and Indah’s directionally challenged.