This week, Bob and Randy are joined by John Bingham, COO of Speak by Design. They discus John's journey from high-stress CISO roles at major companies to consulting, shedding light on the skills necessary to succeed in the ever-evolving cyber security landscape. The conversation takes an intriguing turn towards sales principles, relationship building, and effective communication, revealing unconventional perspectives on what it truly means to be a CISO. Additionally, John shares personal anecdotes of working alongside his wife and juggling family life.