Andy Whittaker continues to explore Michael Sams’ past with ‘Psycho Killer’ podcaster Simon Ford, the conversation turns to another well known criminal. Donald Neilson, known as ‘the black panther’, who served time in the same prison as Sams. Also in this episode, there’s a new revelation from former detective John Plimmer about how covert police officers were used narrow down the kidnapper’s location after Stephanie was returned. Producer: Andy Whittaker. Online Producer: Rachael Smith. Executive Editor, BBC Radio Nottingham: Chris Pegg. Executive Producer: Kathryn Morrison.