Kevin Gerald and Derwin Gray pastor large, influential churches on opposite sides of the country, but both are also seen as leaders of other church leaders nationwide. This month, Chris Brown features both men on the podcast. First, he talks to Kevin about understanding the nature of God’s favor—a concept Kevin explores in his latest book, Good Things. They discuss how choosing a favor-minded attitude can really impact a leader’s ministry. Next, Derwin, a former NFL player, joins Chris to talk about the biggest lessons he’s learned as both an athlete and a leader—including what sports gets right that the church still misses. Specifically, though, Derwin explains the theological value of intentionally cultivating a multiethnic church. https://www.stewardshipcentral.org/podcast