Bongani is joined by thought leader and content creator Nhlanhla Simphiwe Mthembu to discuss Black Excellence. She challenges the conventional definition of what 'excellence' is and explains why black excellence cannot only be celebrated when people thrive in 'reputable’ ways - academic performance, entrepreneurial advancements, owning a German car, owning an apartment in SA's fancy suburbs, or speaking with a Model-C accent. She explains that from experience and observation, the current definition of black excellence excludes a vast majority of black people who are excelling in different ways and may leave them feeling inadequate and like under performers. The two also chat about specific childhood events and the impact that they may have had in her adult life.