In this episode, we're graced by the presence of Anita Otubu from SE4All's Universal Energy Facility and Lamide Niyi-Afuye from the Africa Mini-Grid Developers Association. They offer a rich dialogue on the intricacies of the Universal Energy Facility, the dynamics of performance-based grants, and the strategy behind minimum subsidy tenders. Our exploration digs into the core of RBF schemes, weighing the pros and cons of uniform vs. personalized strategies within the mini-grid sphere. With precision, our guests unravel the convolutions of these funding mechanisms and the formidable task of mini-grid upscaling, highlighting the importance of comprehensive data, robust legal structures, and absolute transparency. A significant portion of the discussion addresses a complex yet critical question: How much complexity can be introduced to the operations of RBF funds and mini-grid companies to enhance profitability and build the necessary track record to draw more grant funding, all without compromising manageability? Additionally, we confront the catch-22 where grant funders seek market-creating projects with proven track records, yet such histories are scarce and closely guarded. We contemplate how to expedite the track record accumulation process, which is indispensable for convincing grant funders. By the end of this rich dialogue, listeners will be endowed with a granular understanding of RBFs in mini-grid market, ready to face its challenges and seize the  opportunities it presents.