Why are Australia’s intelligence agencies growing their public engagement?  How are these agencies responding to an increasingly complex, challenging and dynamic strategic environment? And what are intelligence leaders doing to future-proof their organisations, workforces and capabilities? In this episode of the National Security Podcast, Director-General of National Intelligence, Andrew Shearer, and Director-General of Security, Mike Burgess, join Professor Rory Medcalf to discuss the state of Australian intelligence. Andrew Shearer is Director-General of National Intelligence and head of the Office of National Intelligence. Mike Burgess is Director-General of Security and head of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation. Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. Show notes:  Director-General's Annual Threat Assessment, Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, 2023 Careers in the National Intelligence Community ANU National Security College scholarships: find out more ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more  We’d love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to [email protected]. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.