Y'all. I got to talk to the amazing Desiree Adaway, a powerhouse teacher and consultant I've been following around on the internet for years. Get into this conversation where she shares her story, asks us to examine how race first enters our consciousness, tells us how we need to parse people from systems, and talks about why we need to challenge anti-fatness in our liberation spaces. And listen all the way to the end to hear why you need fountain pens in your best fat life.