In this episode, our host Karsten Hohage talks with Nemrude “Rudi” Verzano, head of Industry 4.0 and Digital Supply Chain Innovation at SAP, about the open-source initiatives in Gaia-X, Catena-X, and International Data Spaces that represent some of the cooperation efforts between the Fraunhofer Institute and some of SAP's large customers. Rudi explains the initiatives’ goals, how they came to be, and what benefits they offer. We also learn why joining forces with others can sometimes lead to the best results.