In this conversation, Ryan Williams and Kayne McGladrey discuss the evolving role of the CISO, the importance of governance, risk, and compliance (GRC), and the impact of AI in cybersecurity. They highlight the need for CISOs to have the full backing of their boards and the challenges they face in managing civil liability for processes they don't control. They also emphasize the importance of democratizing GRC knowledge and providing companies with tools like Hyperproof to assess and improve their cybersecurity maturity. The conversation touches on the increasing regulatory requirements and the need for companies to demonstrate compliance and accountability. The conversation explores the use of artificial intelligence (AI) in the governance, risk, and compliance (GRC) field. The guest, Kayne McGladrey, discusses the dual nature of AI, where it can both save time and raise concerns. He shares examples of how AI can be used to summarize information, generate control suggestions, and analyze large-scale signal data. However, he also highlights the ethical and practical challenges of relying too heavily on AI, such as the need for human judgment and accountability. Kayne emphasizes the importance of using AI as a tool to enhance human intelligence and focus on more meaningful tasks. Kayne's Socials: Kayne McGlandrey's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaynemcgladrey/ Hyperproof's website - https://hyperproof.io/ 11 Topics Your Section 1C of 10-K Filings Should Address - https://hyperproof.io/resource/cybersecurity-in-financial-disclosures-10-k-filings/ Please LISTEN 🎧 LIKE 👍🏿 and SHARE ❤️ Thanks! Socials: Website - https://www.heroesmediagroup.com/shows/the-other-side-of-the-firewall/ Audio - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-other-side-of-the-firewall/id1542479181 YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXZgdDvlcQ8bP_V4dEF02Yw Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556539026086 Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/theothersideofthefw X (Twitter) - https://twitter.com/Ask_a_CISSP TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanwilliams683 Medium - https://medium.com/@ryanwilliamssenior Subscribe to LinkedIn Newsletter - https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7172626552545865728 Ryan on Twitter, LinkedIn, Clubhouse, and Threads - @ryrysecurityguy  Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Catching Up 07:39 The Importance of GRC and HyperProof 11:04 The Evolution of Tools and the Need for Automation 20:38 The Future of the CISO Role 25:13 The Maturity Model for GRC 29:26 The Adoption of AI in Cybersecurity 34:16 The Potential Impact of AI and the Balancing of Credential and Education Requirements 35:06 The Dual Use of Artificial Intelligence in GRC 36:07 AI's Potential in Time-Saving and Summarizing Information 37:03 Ethical Considerations and Limitations of AI 38:24 Transparency and Appropriate Use of AI 44:56 SEC Lawsuits and False Claims of AI Use 48:25 Improving User Agreements and Privacy Policies 58:34 Hobbies: Snowboarding, Board Games, and Paddleboarding #cybersecurity #hyperproof #grc