Listening to this episode would provide valuable insights into competency-based medical education (CBME) and the complexities surrounding it. The hosts discuss a paper that reports on the conversations in the literature about CBME. The history of those conversations and what they hold for the future of CBME is highlighted. Episode host: Lara Varpio Links and episode notes available on the webpage Episode article Hamza, D. M., Hauer, K. E., Oswald, A., van Melle, E., Ladak, Z., Zuna, I., Assefa, M. E., Pelletier, G. N., Sebastianski, M., Keto-Lambert, D., & Ross, S. (2023). Making sense of competency-based medical education (CBME) literary conversations: A BEME scoping review: BEME Guide No. 78. Medical teacher, 45(8), 802–815. https:10.1080/0142159X.2023.2168525 Hosts: Lara Varpio, Jason Frank, Jonathan Sherbino, Linda Snell Technical Producer: Samuel Lundberg Executive Producer: Teresa Sörö Production of Unit for teaching and learning at Karolinska Institutet