Can you name the five great apes? This week Jack is joined by Gerry Ellis, a wildlife photographer, podcast host and founder of GLOBIO - a non-profit that creates environmental films and provides training for other conservation organisations on how they can share their story. Starting with a chat about his early career and how he came to fall in love with apes, the duo then move on to discuss how great apes are faring in the age of the Anthropocene. They talk about the struggles these amazing creatures face, their complex stories, and how all of us can make a difference to their lives! Jack also asks Gerry about his time working with Dr Jane Goodall, his love for the nature around him and why he keeps coming back to apes as the focus of his work! This episode takes us from the study sites of Dian Fossey in Rwanda, to the forests of Madagascar. Useful Links Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We are @PangolinPodcast 💚 You can also follow Jack on Twitter (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@onlyjackbaker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@theonlyjackbaker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)! Listen to Talking Apes here: https://talkingapes.org Check out Talking Apes on Social Media: Twitter: @Talking_Apes Instagram: @TalkingApes_Podcast Check out GLOBIO on Social Media: Twitter: @ApesLikeUs Instagram: @ApesLikeUs Visit GLOBIO's Website: https://globio.org Music Credits: "Cambodian Odyssey" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com), Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ At The Shore by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3389-at-the-shore License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Monkoto by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4072-monkoto License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ AngloZulu by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3372-anglozulu License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Savannah (Sketch) by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/4323-savannah-sketch- License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license