Did you know that some birds act almost like primates? Today Jack is joined by Dr. Lucy Kemp, Project Manager of the Mabula Ground Hornbill Project and Chair of the IUCN Hornbill specialist group! She is here to tell us all about the incredible world of the Southern Ground Hornbill! The duo chat all about what they are, how Lucy became interested in them, how they are impacted by human and elephant behaviours and their important cultural role! On top of that, they also discuss how the Mabula Ground Hornbill Project is working to protect them from environmental change and poisoning. Finally, Jack and Lucy discuss how research done on the Southern Ground Hornbill can potentially be used to inform the study of the Northern Ground Hornbill! Useful Links Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We are @PangolinPodcast 💚 You can also follow Jack on Twitter (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@onlyjackbaker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@theonlyjackbaker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)! Check out The Mabula Ground Hornbill Project on Social Media: Twitter: @Ground_Hornbill Instagram: @Ground.Hornbill Facbook: @GroundHornbill Visit the Mabula Ground Hornbill Project's Website: https://ground-hornbill.org.za/ Music Credits: "Cambodian Odyssey" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com), Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ At The Shore by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3389-at-the-shore License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Monkoto by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4072-monkoto License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ AngloZulu by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3372-anglozulu License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Savannah (Sketch) by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/4323-savannah-sketch- License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license