Rachel had the privilege to talk with Steve Backlund of Igniting Hope Ministries. Steve is a prolific encourager, catalytic author, joy activator, and revivalist teacher. He brings transformational levels of hope to churches and organizations around the world. He is uniquely gifted to release hope, joy, and healthy leadership everywhere he goes. https://www.ignitinghope.com Support The Real Deal by contributing to their tip jar: https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/the-real-deal Find out more at https://the-real-deal.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.