We have a conversation with Oliver Hanke from 12Tree finance to understand what scaling agroforestry looks like. With 160 million $ already invested in 12 projects, 12Tree is bringing large investors into agroforestry. We spend some time going into some detail on their largest project in Guatemala to understand its implementation. We understand who is investing in agroforestry at that scale and their motivations for doing so. We also discuss the balance between agronomic innovation and profitability, if agroforestry is delivering the benefits they expected, and whether such big farms leave any space for small-scale farmers. This episode brings to the forefront some of the thought-provoking questions we face if agroforestry is to be deployed at scale. • TABLE OF CONTENTS 01:29 Introduction  11:40 Case study : Finca Chimelb  30:45 Investing in agroforestry  40:21 Taking risks with agroforestry  51:51 Forecasting profitability while integrating complexity 01:06:29 What place for small scale farmers?  01:14:04 Is 12Tree relevant to the western context?   • RESOURCES https://www.12tree.de/ • GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org • SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry • FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.