In season 9 episode 10, hosts Gary Martin and Jason Buff, interview Russell Kilmas. They discuss light painting, a technique where a light source is used to "paint" or draw in the air, and the importance of collaboration. They touch on different aspects of light painting, including equipment, techniques, and the importance of collaboration between the photographer and model. Russel explains how he started with the technique and the joy he finds in collaborating with models to create unique and interesting images. He emphasizes the importance of having fun and enjoying the process of light painting. Jason talks about the similarities between light painting and other creative endeavors, such as playing sports, and how it is essential to have someone to collaborate with when trying out new ideas. He also stresses the importance of making the process enjoyable and low-pressure, to allow for experimentation and creativity to flourish. The podcast ends with some lighthearted banter between the hosts and a reminder to brush twice daily.