Chris Romeo, Matt Coles, and Izar Tarandach attempt to demystify the concepts of Application Security (AppSec) and Product Security (ProdSec). They find that even defining and differentiating both concepts is challenging. Various articles exist about AppSec and ProdSec, but the industry is generally confused about these terms.  Discussing the role of hardware in product security initiates an animated debate. Questions arise about whether the presence of hardware makes something more of a "product" and how software-only products differ from those with hardware components. Supply chain challenges, the significance of hardware in security considerations, and the potential overlap between AppSec and ProdSec become central themes of their conversation. They make progress during this spirited discussion, but the hosts conclude without arriving at a definitive answer. They humorously acknowledge their collective confusion and agree to revisit the topic in future episodes. This conversation deserves a part two, emphasizing their commitment to understanding and clarifying the nuances of AppSec and ProdSec. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast ➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!