Prompted by fan mail, Chris, Izar, and Matt engage in a role-playing scenario as a VP of engineering, a security person, and a product manager. They explore some of the challenges and competing perspectives involved in prioritizing application security. They highlight the importance of empathy, understanding business needs and language, and building relationships within an organization while dealing with security threats and solutions. They end with insights into the role of AI in AppSec, its prioritization, and its limitations. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast ➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!