Today Dannie and Caitlyn are talking with Amanda Gulino of A Better Monday. We believe in accessible content and that anyone who wants to learn from this content should be able to. In order to support this, we’ve had every episode of Season 4 transcribed. The transcriptions are available at the bottom of every episode blog post. SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:Learning to take a step back from your side hustle to reevaluate and reenergize. How to balance not taking things personally while you are on this extremely personal journey. How it is ok to embracing being in a waiting pattern for the next big step in your side hustle. While still addressing the void that occurs. GET MORE: Website | Instagram FOLLOW YOUR HOSTS: D Website | D Instagram // C Website | C Instagram Get the Side Hustle Starter Kit Dannie Lynn Fountain: [00:00:21] Hello and welcome back to the side hustle gal podcast. Today we have one of my longtime friends, business friends, a business like partners. I guess if we talk about she will, um, clients. She's been a client of mine, Jordan Lacenski. Hold on, I always forget to ask you how to say her name. Jordan. Les. I did it again. Yep. Jordan, listen, ski. Uh, so Jordan, I'm going to toss it over to you. What? Tell us what's up with brand boss. What's up with she will what you're doing now because I know that you're back in the corporate world. I can't wait to hear all about it.  Jordan Lacenski: [00:01:02] Yeah, girl, thank you so much and love. That we are in each other's lives in so many layers in ways. Um, so thanks for having me. What is going on with me? Wow. It's been an interesting, uh, four year journey really. But, um, as you know, I had brand box creative, which was a boutique branding firm. I opened and closed that in three years. I opened it in 2016. I had a freaking blast. I grew this thing. I had consultants, I had the CEO ego things going on. We, I was like, became becoming obsessed with processes and operations and customer service and just how to grow and improve this branding firm and, uh, how to make things really smooth for everyone involved. And then early 2019, we went through a litigation, which was kind of like the second of the three strikes, you know, uh, we had, we lost a huge client because they lost a huge client. And then we went through this litigation and it was wild. And. My consultant at the time was saying like, this is just something you prepare for in business, right? Like, if you budget for it, it happens when you're a business owner. At some point you will get sued. Like it's kind of like lock them to the big leagues, honey, you know? Um, but it was personally difficult and professionally difficult and hard on our team and hard on our P. and. L, you know? I mean, just all of it. And so it's actually, um, an advised by our lawyers, just easier to close the business. So we closed that business. It was an LLC and a pretty easy process to do. Um, and she will simultaneously, you know, she will had started as this collaborative where. Agencies or people l