The first interview of 2020 is here and what an absolute belter of a conversation it is! Kai Whiting, researcher and lecturer on sustainability at the University of Lisbon in Portugal talks Alex through his troubles with 'Backpack-gate', what makes 'sustainable' different to 'eco-friendly' and making ethical choices...This is just the first of a two-parter, with part 2 on next week's show, or listen to the whole thing right now by supporting the show on Patreon. Remember to follow the page on Facebook, leave a review and subscribe to support the podcast in other ways!To contact Alex about requests for topics, feedback or to be a guest, email [email protected] in the Show:Kai Whiting's website: https://stoickai.com/The backpack Kai bought: https://www.cabinzero.com/Music Credits"Lecture" by Tim Beek (timbeek.com)"Grasping Hope" by Tim Beek (timbeek.com) Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=19771195)