Gill Kernick is an author, speaker and campaigner. In April 2022, Gill joined Arup University as transformation director working to shape a sustainable world. Gill is the author of Catastrophe and Systemic Change: Learning from the Grenfell Tower Fire and Other Disasters. It combines her decades of experience consulting organisations in high hazard industries to build the leadership and culture to prevent catastrophic events.  In this episode, we talk about Gills’ deeply personal connection to the Grenfell Fire, and discuss blame, accountability, safety and the need for a cultural change in the built environment. We also talk about “mindful compliance”, the impact of rules and regulations on decision making, and the notion of ethical leadership in the building industry.    What We Cover:  5:33 How Gill started to work in the domain of safety and how her book came about14:34 - What low probability, high consequence events are and how surveyors can learn to live and work with the risk of such events25:14 - The difference between blame and accountability and why the bad apple theory is an unhelpful narrative in building safety32:52 - How to start changing the culture to enable different voices to be heard in the conversations around risks and catastrophe prevention41:54 - What ethical leadership looks like in the built environment  Connect with Gill Kernick:  LinkedIn Twitter  Connect with Marion Ellis: TikTok Instagram LinkedIn   Resources: The Grenfell Inquirer Blog Catastrophe and Systemic Change: Learning from the Grenfell Tower Fire and Other Disasters by Gill Kernick Catastrophe: The Podcast RICS:The Building Safety Act with David Savage & Andy Thomas #58Lionheart  The Surveyor Hub: Watch The Surveyor Hub WebinarsJoin the Facebook Community Watch the Women in Surveying Virtual SummitPlease show your support by buying me a coffeeFind out more at www.lovesurveying.comSign up for podcast reminders and Love Surveying weekly newsa...