Courtney speaks with Traci Rhoads about her hope of finding middle ground with those who hold different viewpoints, her book Shaky Ground, and the joy of Michigan's cardinals. Links from Traci's show Shaky Ground Not All Who Wander (Spiritually) Are Lost Follow Traci: Twitter The Thing with Feathers is birds, birding, and hope with an obsessive newbie birder and a wide range of experts and special guests. New episodes every Monday! Follow Courtney: Twitter Website Our music is by Del Belcher. The Thing with Feathers is hosted and produced by Courtney Ellis. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/courtney-ellis02/message --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/courtney-ellis02/message