Mark Wales is one of our favourite guests – so much so that Ben can’t remember how many times he’s been on the show (turns out this is only the second).  But each time has been a great conversation, and this is certainly no exception.  Mark, fresh off his momentous half-million dollar Survivor: Blood and Water victory, joins Ben and Tim to talk all things reality TV, tough luxury, fathering, books, music, Anzac Day….and conspiracy theories.  A must-listen episode!     3:25         Welcoming Mark back for the second – or is it third?! – no, wait – second time! 5:30         On Survivor – second time around 7:00         The dangers of playing tactics on Survivor – with your wife! (or – can you leave all that stuff on set, or does some of it come home with you?!) 8:55         How does Survivor compare with the SAS selection course? 11:05       The trappings of reality TV fame – how often does Mark get recognised in the street?! 15:09       Mark’s reflections on being an author 19:00       What does Anzac Day mean to Mark? 21:30       A quick detour into opinions on Australian defence capability 24:45       Mark on parenting – and on leaving his four year-old son Harry to play Survivor 29:51       Ben on helicopter parenting 32:00       Kill Kapture – has Survivor and Mark’s book moved the needle on jacket sales?  Includes some great whiskey discussion – and some discussion about great whiskey, including WhipperSnapper (click here for our discussion with Jimmy McKeown, Master Distiller at WhipperSnapper) 38:30       A few questions and comments from the Instagram livestream 39:30       Mark’s current fitness regime – and how did he prepare for Survivor – from a physical and mental perspective 44:30       What’s Mark reading at the moment? 50:30       And then, somehow, the conversation shifts to UFO and conspiracy theories… 57:10       Ben explains more than anyone ever wanted to know about Little Bird – the song he recorded in Saddam’s toilet in Iraq   www.unforgiving60.com   Email us at [email protected]   Instagram, Twitter: @Unforgiving60   External Links   Kill Kapture – Mark’s ‘tough luxury’ company.  And home of the best leather jackets on the planet.   Music The Externals – available on Spotify Ben Frichot - available on Spotify Ben Pronk - not available anywhere (with good reason)