In all 50 states, people caught up in the criminal justice system can be charged fines and fees for everything from the cost of police transport during arrests, to the cost of room and board for their time behind bars. In this episode, Jay learns about the back story of how Pay to Stay policy was inspired by a killer clown. And he speaks to experts and journalists about how Pay to Stay policies lock people into a never-ending cycle of debt and involvement with the criminal justice system. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.