Conservation is often more about understanding people than studying the animals we are trying to protect. In this episode we learn from Dr Hollie Booth, research fellow at the University of Oxford, who has worked extensively with small-scale fisheries in Indonesia, the world’s largest shark fishing nation. Hollie’s work aims to disentangle the drivers of shark fishing in order to find solutions that have positive outcomes for both sharks and coastal communities. Here, we discuss the complexities of fisheries and the many reasons why someone might catch and trade sharks. And, we talk about the importance of finding conservation strategies that are socially just as well as ecologically effective. You can follow Hollie and her work:  @the_hollietype (instagram) @kebersamaan_untuk_lautan (instagram) @hollieboothie (twitter) https://saveourseas.com/project/solutions-for-shark-fisheries-in-a-surfers-paradise/ https://mcem.web.ox.ac.uk/incentive-based-marine-conservation   Shownotes:  www.saveourseas.com/worldofsharks/podcast