In this episode, we sit down with Ezekiel Gading, a master's student and animal welfare researcher. We talk about Ezekiel's fascinating research on Orangutans, building resilience in the animals you work with and how animals are perceiving their environment. Resources we covered:  https://www.some.ox.ac.uk/our-people/professor-marian-dawkins-cbe-frs/  https://www.neuroscience.cam.ac.uk/directory/profile.php?dmb16  https://suzannemacdonald.ca/