What goes up must come down, right? Well, what if things go up and come down slightly slower than you might expect? Are there balloons attached? Filled with helium?Are you on Venus?Probably not, but the planet does have a similar gravity to Earth and its planetary scientist Gael Cascioli’s job to learn about gravity, specifically gravitational waves, on Venus and beyond. We talked with Gael about an upcoming mission to Venus, the importance of diverse collaborations, and why we shouldn’t put some much emphasis on the “publish or perish” model.This episode was produced by Shane M Hanlon (https://linktr.ee/ecologyofshane), and mixed by Collin Warren (https://www.collinwarren.com/). Artwork by Karen Romano Young (https://www.karenromanoyoung.com/). Interviews conducted by Jason Rodriguez.