Shane and Harry are joined by Ben Strano from Fine Woodworking to talk about learning from masters. Ben is a passionate professional hobbyist woodworker who's job is often to distill the knowledge of professionals for hobbyists at home. Shane and Harry talk with Ben about professional pacing, the value of seeing in person what a professional result looks like, how being the biggest idiot in the room is a good thing, the challenges of professionals who don't know how or don't want to teach. Then Harry and Ben geek out about pencils.  We guarantee hands down that this is the single best woodworking interview with a woodworker where most questions are answered with sound engineering anecdotes. Seriously!