Doing Design Festival V3 'Better Together' - February 11 2022. Tickets: https://www.thisisdoing.com/the-doing-design-festival I’m your host Kelly Ann McKercher, author of Beyond Sticky Notes: Doing Co-design for Real. In this podcast we hear from Luke Craven and Elise Motalli about what it means to be a systems-conscious designer, where we can turn to for more expansive language about the worlds we want.  Luke’s newsletter, Pig on the Tracks  https://pigontracks.substack.com/ Follow Elise  https://www.linkedin.com/in/elise-motalli-44070b119/ Nora Bateson https://batesoninstitute.org/nora-bateson/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.