In the episode, David Roth and I tackle the very controversial and sensitive topic of punishment and CESS.  It is broken down into 3 sections: pre-show monologue, full episode, and post-show discussion about the ABC video that highlighted the unethical use of CESS at the Judge Rotenberg Center.   Please listen to the episode in its entirety as we spiral back to key points throughout.  Opting to listen to just one section would be like reading a book, but starting with a chapter midway through!  We encourage respectful and solution-oriented dialogue in the comments sections wherever this is posted. Show notes: Link to Cicoria Podcast Session 10 with Pat FrimanLink to David Roth’s Mindfulness talk at the Verbal Behavior Conference 2022 (PDF) On Mindfulness: A Skinnerian Account(PDF) Skinnerian Reflections on Meditation, Mindfulness, and the Term "Skinnerian"(PDF) Two Definitions of PunishmentABC Video on CESS Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of contenet related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.