My guest this week is Professor Stuart Hart, who is the Steven Grossman Distinguished Fellow in Sustainable Innovation at the University of Vermont's Grossman School of Business, and author of "Capitalism at the Crossroads". Listen to Stuart talk about: -  Why thriving is a revolutionary agenda – and goes to the heart of the real purpose of the economy and capitalism -  The necessity to get beyond the business case for sustainability –- to the point where sustainability is the business -  How business education is at the root cause of our unsustainability –- and why we must creatively destroy the MBA -  Challenging shareholder primacy and ESG –- and redefining the value through initiatives like the long-term stock exchange - What the motive force for the reformation of capitalism might be –- and how the conditions for a major shift are ripe In the episode, the following books are mentioned: - Capitalism at the Crossroads, by Stuart L. Hart Key links: Stuart L Hart (LinkedIn) Stuart L Hart (website) UVM Grossman School of Business Revolution (poem) Thriving (book) Wayne Visser (website) Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)